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		<title>Comment on From Deep Green to Second Tier: Sustainability at the Threshold by syndaxvuzz</title>
		<link>http://thepatternguy.com/2012/05/21/from-deep-green-to-second-tier-sustainability-at-the-threshold/comment-page-1/#comment-42</link>
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		<title>Comment on Audio file on the foundations of PatternDynamics by davidm58</title>
		<link>http://thepatternguy.com/2012/09/17/audio-file-on-the-foundations-of-permaculture/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating talk Tim, thanks for sharing it.  When you started talking about being &quot;wholly uninterested...in &#039;sustainability&#039;...&quot; I decided I wanted to transcribe that...and then I didn&#039;t know where to stop.  So I just posted a transcription of the last part of your talk on my blog, and I&#039;ll share it here for your readers. 

&quot;...I am wholly uninterested now, after having witnessed lots of failures, in &#039;sustainability&#039;; because there was no attempt at working with self or culture. It was just a focus on nature - those failed. I don&#039;t really have an interest in perpetuating that failure. I will not introduce you to that failure.

I would like to integrate acting on nature through Permaculture and other practices with acting in culture - that&#039;s about storytelling, it&#039;s about framing worldviews, it&#039;s about collective understanding - that&#039;s story and myth. And also introducing practices on self - that&#039;s about developing awareness. Opening up this space where everything you thought was not you becomes you. The only way to do that is to sit in awareness and witness all this stuff. Then, all of a sudden, the boundary fades. That&#039;s human development.

Integrating all those things is a very cool thing to do, and is very powerful. I think that&#039;s what we can offer, and in developing PatternDynamics as a discipline or a modality, what I&#039;m hoping to do is to give you a tool to develop your own integral capacity for sustainability. If you can understand the dynamics in integrated whole systems, you can understand where to intervene to create health where it will have the most effect - how to relieve disease, how to open up the flow. There&#039;s no rational way to understand it- it&#039;s too complex. You can&#039;t understand this by learning &#039;A&#039;, learning &#039;B&#039;, learning &#039;C&#039;, learning &#039;D&#039; and then coming out the other end. You don&#039;t just have A,B,C, and D, you have the whole alphabet, and they&#039;re all swirling around in this great interconnected dynamic play. There&#039;s no way to comprehend that holistic dynamic one bit at a time. You have to develop the capacity to understand the dynamics.

The only way to do that is to stand back in awareness and see the patterns. Patterns are the only way to really understand fluid dynamic integral wholes. And that&#039;s what the universe is, and that&#039;s what we have to get a grasp on.

Both David Holmgren and Bill Mollison [co-founders of Permaculture] have keyed in on this. They know that patterns are how you understand wholes. Ken Wilber also keyed in on this. He calls Integral &quot;The pattern that connects&quot; [a phrase borrowed from Gregory Bateson - another pioneer of pattern literacy]. He&#039;s just taken that natural step beyond &#039;if everything&#039;s connected,&#039; that means my awareness is connected to the awareness of the universe. There&#039;s not such a separation between my experience and the experience full stop - you know, &#039;out there&#039;. It&#039;s a natural extension.

So we&#039;ve got a natural resonance between Integral and Permaculture through their understanding that patterns are important to understand integrated wholes.

...PatternDynamics is a base pattern set for understanding - it&#039;s a tool, it&#039;s not reality, it&#039;s just a tool. It&#039;s an educational discipline to help you gain an integral capacity for understanding integral dynamic systems.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating talk Tim, thanks for sharing it.  When you started talking about being &#8220;wholly uninterested&#8230;in &#8216;sustainability&#8217;&#8230;&#8221; I decided I wanted to transcribe that&#8230;and then I didn&#8217;t know where to stop.  So I just posted a transcription of the last part of your talk on my blog, and I&#8217;ll share it here for your readers. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;I am wholly uninterested now, after having witnessed lots of failures, in &#8216;sustainability&#8217;; because there was no attempt at working with self or culture. It was just a focus on nature &#8211; those failed. I don&#8217;t really have an interest in perpetuating that failure. I will not introduce you to that failure.</p>
<p>I would like to integrate acting on nature through Permaculture and other practices with acting in culture &#8211; that&#8217;s about storytelling, it&#8217;s about framing worldviews, it&#8217;s about collective understanding &#8211; that&#8217;s story and myth. And also introducing practices on self &#8211; that&#8217;s about developing awareness. Opening up this space where everything you thought was not you becomes you. The only way to do that is to sit in awareness and witness all this stuff. Then, all of a sudden, the boundary fades. That&#8217;s human development.</p>
<p>Integrating all those things is a very cool thing to do, and is very powerful. I think that&#8217;s what we can offer, and in developing PatternDynamics as a discipline or a modality, what I&#8217;m hoping to do is to give you a tool to develop your own integral capacity for sustainability. If you can understand the dynamics in integrated whole systems, you can understand where to intervene to create health where it will have the most effect &#8211; how to relieve disease, how to open up the flow. There&#8217;s no rational way to understand it- it&#8217;s too complex. You can&#8217;t understand this by learning &#8216;A&#8217;, learning &#8216;B&#8217;, learning &#8216;C&#8217;, learning &#8216;D&#8217; and then coming out the other end. You don&#8217;t just have A,B,C, and D, you have the whole alphabet, and they&#8217;re all swirling around in this great interconnected dynamic play. There&#8217;s no way to comprehend that holistic dynamic one bit at a time. You have to develop the capacity to understand the dynamics.</p>
<p>The only way to do that is to stand back in awareness and see the patterns. Patterns are the only way to really understand fluid dynamic integral wholes. And that&#8217;s what the universe is, and that&#8217;s what we have to get a grasp on.</p>
<p>Both David Holmgren and Bill Mollison [co-founders of Permaculture] have keyed in on this. They know that patterns are how you understand wholes. Ken Wilber also keyed in on this. He calls Integral &#8220;The pattern that connects&#8221; [a phrase borrowed from Gregory Bateson - another pioneer of pattern literacy]. He&#8217;s just taken that natural step beyond &#8216;if everything&#8217;s connected,&#8217; that means my awareness is connected to the awareness of the universe. There&#8217;s not such a separation between my experience and the experience full stop &#8211; you know, &#8216;out there&#8217;. It&#8217;s a natural extension.</p>
<p>So we&#8217;ve got a natural resonance between Integral and Permaculture through their understanding that patterns are important to understand integrated wholes.</p>
<p>&#8230;PatternDynamics is a base pattern set for understanding &#8211; it&#8217;s a tool, it&#8217;s not reality, it&#8217;s just a tool. It&#8217;s an educational discipline to help you gain an integral capacity for understanding integral dynamic systems.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Audio file on the foundations of PatternDynamics by Foundations of PatternDynamics &#8211; Tim Winton &#171; integral permaculture</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foundations of PatternDynamics &#8211; Tim Winton &#171; integral permaculture]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on An Integral Permaculture by thepatternguy</title>
		<link>http://thepatternguy.com/2012/05/21/an-integral-permaculture/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 03:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi gbell12

Thanks for the feedback and you question. Practical application of theory, or &#039;praxis&#039;, is the most important part for me. I have done some online presentations demonstrating the use of PatternDynamics in practical sustainability design projects. I will post them as I get permission to publish them. Currently they are all held by other parties and I&#039;ll need to negotiate to post them. Also, I&#039;ll be blogging and video blogging regularly on the PatternDynamics web site (www.patterndynamics.com.au), showing practical examples of how to use PD. Stay posted!

Best,

Tim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi gbell12</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback and you question. Practical application of theory, or &#8216;praxis&#8217;, is the most important part for me. I have done some online presentations demonstrating the use of PatternDynamics in practical sustainability design projects. I will post them as I get permission to publish them. Currently they are all held by other parties and I&#8217;ll need to negotiate to post them. Also, I&#8217;ll be blogging and video blogging regularly on the PatternDynamics web site (www.patterndynamics.com.au), showing practical examples of how to use PD. Stay posted!</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Integral Permaculture by gbell12</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 11:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Tim,

I&#039;m a practising permaculturalist (ie. designing and implementing on my own land) as well as an engineer. I *like* patterns and systemic thinking. Yet, when reading about Integral Theory or PatternDynamics, I&#039;m always stuck with this question in my head: Yes, but what&#039;s it *for*?

Thanks for continuing to contribute to the community and movement. Please emphasise some practical applications in your articles. What would you have done before you understood patterns, vs. what did you do *because* you understood patterns?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a practising permaculturalist (ie. designing and implementing on my own land) as well as an engineer. I *like* patterns and systemic thinking. Yet, when reading about Integral Theory or PatternDynamics, I&#8217;m always stuck with this question in my head: Yes, but what&#8217;s it *for*?</p>
<p>Thanks for continuing to contribute to the community and movement. Please emphasise some practical applications in your articles. What would you have done before you understood patterns, vs. what did you do *because* you understood patterns?</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Integral Permaculture by Glisten</title>
		<link>http://thepatternguy.com/2012/05/21/an-integral-permaculture/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glisten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 07:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blessings Tim, thank you for creating applications for integral theory. I have studied the theory for a number of years and am now getting excited about ways to share it in the context of praxis. Looking forward to participating in the evolution of these ideas and practices. Glisten]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blessings Tim, thank you for creating applications for integral theory. I have studied the theory for a number of years and am now getting excited about ways to share it in the context of praxis. Looking forward to participating in the evolution of these ideas and practices. Glisten</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Integral Permaculture by thepatternguy</title>
		<link>http://thepatternguy.com/2012/05/21/an-integral-permaculture/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thepatternguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 12:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jess,thanks for your comment. Glad you like it so far. I&#039;ll be posting a lot more stuff that attempts to unpack Integral Theory-I&#039;m still working through a lot of it myself. Nice to have fellow travelers. Best. 
Tim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jess,thanks for your comment. Glad you like it so far. I&#8217;ll be posting a lot more stuff that attempts to unpack Integral Theory-I&#8217;m still working through a lot of it myself. Nice to have fellow travelers. Best.<br />
Tim</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Integral Permaculture by jess</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Tim, thanks so much for your blog. I&#039;m loving it! I&#039;m also a long time lover of ken wilber but sometimes find his writing a little dense.[sleep deprived, baby brain] so  i&#039;m really appreciating your unraveling it for me , especially in the context of sustainability and community.
jess]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim, thanks so much for your blog. I&#8217;m loving it! I&#8217;m also a long time lover of ken wilber but sometimes find his writing a little dense.[sleep deprived, baby brain] so  i&#8217;m really appreciating your unraveling it for me , especially in the context of sustainability and community.<br />
jess</p>
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